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to be a tulpamancer, you don't need any guides, you need some basic info. Make a character and interact with them. If you have a specific problem, you can read a guide regarding that. If you're problem is with understanding tulpamancy, than we probably fucked up the introduction, because the core idea of tulpamancy is simple.

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when one begins their journey with tulpamancy without any experience, the idea is simple. Of course, if someone already has a companion or a few and maybe a complicated situation with them, it's not the same for them and they might need to talk to people in live chat or forum to increase their understanding anyway. (edited)

Ok I got a bracelet system

1:20 AM

Yellow means I'm fronting, yellow and purple means I'm spending meaningful time with joey, and blue means Joey is fronting

1:20 AM

Oh crap meant to upload this in #tulpa-discussion

@The Others, feel free to give more feedback about how guides are being confusing here if you want. We are trying to do that too, as you can see in the discussion above.

Oh, I don't really look over them anymore. When I do, I look at Tulpanomicon.guide. I kinda just... skim over them for general ideas and then hope I can figure something out on my own.

5:53 PM

A lot of them end up being very similar to each other anyway, or give contrasting information, so I've given up on them unless I need a different perspective or a quick tip.

Inspired by what I was saying in #tulpa-questions today, I have made a guide about dissipation.

11:10 PM

Does forum supports drafts? I'd like to make formatting look better since results of converting markdown to bbcode don't really make it look good yet.

Or before I publish it in forum, here it is, feel free to criticize: https://rentry.co/tulpa_dissipation_guide_faux

About dissipation

Dissipation (aka "killing" a tulpa) is a topic many people are ashamed to ask about. You are told by some bigots that you are supposed to commit to a tulpa forever once you started. This way of thinking is no longer dominating the community but you can still experience it sometimes and...

Oh, a dissipation guide. Very interesting. The forums use a WISIWIG editor. It doesn't use block code cries a little I don't know what you mean by drafts I skimmed over it not to long ago, but I want to give it another read. I can give either a casual review or a flat out GAT review, but it may be a bit before I do so (edited)

I've made research about how they removed bbcode from IPB. It sucks, what's the reason to use forums when they remove its few traits that are useful compared to social media.

Because IPB sucks

5:12 PM

But it sucks less when each new update doesn't completely break the forums...

5:13 PM

*And by completely break I do mean worse than dark theme no longer functioning

weren't you guys using mybb in the past? Why have you switched?

Pleeb wrote about it here- https://community.tulpa.info/topic/15309-upgrading-to-new-servers-forum-software/#comment-261258

Most of the guides i found on the "guide list" are also stated from that times - i kinda wanted to ask this question, is there any "new" list of guides?

@Genry_the_frog I'm working on it! I was going to make a forum post about it, but I may as well break the news now So after getting help from Pleeb we did figure out a way for me to automate getting guides! I have some python scripts to get guides and using those scripts I not only have all of the guides list, I can even sort out guides with links and make that a list! Right now I'm checking all the guides with links to see if they still exist! Gray also wrote a macro in VBA to auto hyperlink all of the guides, making the process far less difficult and frustrating

I didn't understand whole process, but it should make life of newbies easier it seems. Would be great, keep it up!

I'll probably explain in more detail once I finish

I'm curious if something has moved forward with guide approval system. Have you made some progress?

Aside from progress on the guide list sadly no. I have been taking a break in general, I hit a low point lately. At the very least, I think I have a clearer idea of what to work on. My goal is to wrap things up, get something out there to test, and then let the system run for at least a little while. I know nobody will be perfectly happy with it, and I hope once that's finished it can stand as a "good enough" system until someone else comes up with a better idea

I guess I posted this awhile ago, so I'll repost it here. This is the forum post I sent out awhile ago

5:02 PM

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16757-community-feedback-survey/?do=findComment&comment=376202

The good news is I now have code to organize a list, it's just a matter of organizing it. I can even generate an updated one, I can set that up and post it later

I'll try to read this today and answer tomorrow.

Sounds good!

I think I need more time to think about it.

That's okay! There's a lot of crap. I won't be excited about throwing stuff out, and honestly I think it would be easier to push this and then invest in designing a system you would be the primary driving force behind

We decided to use today as a rest day. I can get on and VC about this if you want

Nah, I'm not a fan of voice chatting in these cases, text is more non-volatile.

Fair enough.

I want to do some stuff this morning, including rolling over and eating spaghetti for breakfast. That's happening first!

After that I can figure out how to run python scripts in the terminal again (don't hate me we aren't super experienced with Python) and then I can get an updated list

1:47 PM

I wish there was an easy way to sort everything but I think the easiest way would be just referencing the old guide list and just fixing everything

@A long kiss goodnight , there is a possibility to change order of threads by this upvote system? Or they are going to be listed in another way? I really wonder how would it look like in practice.

2:47 PM

(feel free to answer when you have time)

I don't know how it's going to change my view of things, it might be important as it might enable to endorse better guides even if the top category for the guides is going to contain most of them, it's too vague for me atm though. Here are my thoughts about the guide and my alternative proposal so far. https://hackmd.io/@felix-fawkes/rJkWLgqMs

Making guides better - HackMD

# Making guides better ## Polemic with Ranger's ideas - The top level is almost as broad as curr

A very easy way to do most of this is to just leave guides all in a single thread let authors bump their own threads when they make an update to the guide, describing what they changed. This helps active guides be seen, and encourages updates. Inactive guides fall down the ladder, and the system requires very minimal worry about overhead. Doing this lacks the removal of bad guides, but I don't think we should be in that business anyways. (edited)

Regina Faux

@A long kiss goodnight , there is a possibility to change order of threads by this upvote system? Or they are going to be listed in another way? I really wonder how would it look like in practice.

My expectation is it will work like the Invision Support thread. I don't know if it will automatically display guides in order of up votes as expected, but you can at least filter by up votes:

4:10 PM

4:13 PM

The top level is almost as broad as current submission limbo. In my point of view, it isn’t going to change things much about better guides being promoted more and outdated guides still are going to keep their position.

What is the top level?

Just the 'Guides' category

Ah

4:15 PM

What are literal books? Guides that are 40 pages plus?

Yeah, we could define it like that, I guess. I would even lower the threshold.

That would essentially be putting creation guides in their own special category and making the short guides hard to access

Actually, it makes it under subcategory, so it's kinda harder to reach than regular featured guides.

4:19 PM

A very easy way to do most of this is to just leave guides all in a single thread let authors bump their own threads when they make an update to the guide, describing what they changed. This helps active guides be seen, and encourages updates. Inactive guides fall down the ladder, and the system requires very minimal worry about overhead. Doing this lacks the removal of bad guides, but I don't think we should be in that business anyways.

@Reguile - jump It's a very basic thing to do if guides could be autosorted by upvotes. I think the problem is it might give the better start to older guides and snowball them. Tbh I'm not sure if sorting guides by raw upvotes like Ranger seems to be planning, is a good idea.

Regina Faux

Actually, it makes it under subcategory, so it's kinda harder to reach than regular featured guides.

My comment is facetious, but this is an example of the back talk I would get from GAT members. I understand wanting to separate out long guides from short guides. However, Tips & Tricks and Guides are already created with length in mind. You would expect to find a 3-10 page guide in Guides and short 1-3 page guides in Tips & Tricks

My idea behind Featured Guides is to make feasible for new guide to be promoted relatively fast provided it's good. And guides being demoted from there should be an encouragement for at least some activity. Even if a guide is very good, if their author doesn't keep it up to day and doesn't respond to questions, their guide's ability to help people is significantly lower. And if the guides is abandoned, new guides can take its place in the hall of fame.

Tbh I'm not sure if sorting guides by raw upvotes like Ranger seems to be planning, is a good idea.

I don't think it's a magic fix to anything either, I want to deliver what is promised is all. I think what you want is a completely different system, which is fine but I want to help you develop that while this system is filling the void of inactivity right now. I want to push something after two-three years of nothing and I want to be supportive of your ideas, not at odds with them.

4:29 PM

I know the UpVote/Draft system isn't great. I just want something out there so it's not nothing.

I have always thought that we just need to get a list of guides that look good onto the front page website instead of the forum. No messing with rank or anything, just grab some that look great and post them up there. The forum is a resource for those looking for depth. The average person won't use it long enough to even find the guides. (edited)

I think I'm going to think again about the idea of separated category for books. It's not the most important thing. What I find really important is to provide a system that makes things more prone to live and change for better. The most important problem with current situation is that it's not really rewarding for people to write good guides and keep them up to date, responding to critique and questions about it. And I think a Featured Guides section that changes over time could be such reward encouraging to continue doing good stuff and pointing users who want to read guides to the current best ones first. UpVotes should be one of conditions for getting into hall of fame, of course, as I have written.

Reguile

I have always thought that we just need to get a list of guides that look good onto the front page website instead of the forum. No messing with rank or anything, just grab some that look great and post them up there. The forum is a resource for those looking for depth. The average person won't use it long enough to even find the guides. (edited)

The biggest problem with that would be how many guides make it to the front page, who decides that, and how bloody will the blood bath be with everyone arguing which guides get picked

@A long kiss goodnight - jump And that's why I don't like the idea of making decision by staff consensus slash voting. I think community (staff included if they want to participate like everyone else) should have agency here.

Regina Faux

I think I'm going to think again about the idea of separated category for books. It's not the most important thing. What I find really important is to provide a system that makes things more prone to live and change for better. The most important problem with current situation is that it's not really rewarding for people to write good guides and keep them up to date, responding to critique and questions about it. And I think a Featured Guides section that changes over time could be such reward encouraging to continue doing good stuff and pointing users who want to read guides to the current best ones first. UpVotes should be one of conditions for getting into hall of fame, of course, as I have written.

Oh of course, I don't expect your system to be perfectly hammered out day 1. It took time for me to sort out the details of the UpVote/Draft system

Yeah, for now it's a first draft.

4:38 PM

But what do you think about this type of system so far?

I like the idea of guides getting feedback and being updated being the more visible guides, what I'm not sure about is how that would translate on the forums. If the guide is fresh, people are likely to give some of their thoughts. After an edit, even if the thread is bumped, people don't usually talk about it. The (average) natural activity guides get are the following:

A random user saying the guide worked for them
A technical fix like me adding back-ups in a complicated way or possibly the OP bumping their thread reporting changes
Someone sharing their translation
A thread hijack by asking a completely beginner question inspired by the guide

If the system encourages edits by the OP, how would the forums know to bump the thread? How do you prevent weird bs like someone making a tiny change to artificially bump their thread? (edited)

You don't. Activity from other users is fine to bump a thread. People are reading it and using it and that's a sign of activity. Even if a person is making regular small changes (staff can intervene with common sense) that reflects the author is around and updating, regularly re reading the guide.

Breaking rules by OP can be punished with ban on applying for getting it into featured or even removing it and banning user from publishing guides in the future. I think OP should have some restrictions on updating a guide, like if week hasn't passed since the last post and that post belongs to him, he should edit it instead. But those are details to be worked on later.

Another thought that crosses my mind is as a guide writer, I really hope I don't have to keep updating every single thing I put out. If my possession guide sucks I would rather throw it in Drafts or Submissions and abandon it to create a new thread. However, some people will not like my guide because they don't like me or disagree with my ideas. I have lots of unfinished guide ideas in my Google Docs folder hidden from the public, I'm pretty strict about what the public does see and I hope that once I'm finished I don't have to touch it again

On community engagement, ideally whoever makes the front page (likely pleeb) is listening to the community and taking what they say into account while picking guides. I don't particularly trust a system of election to not turn the guide list into a big monoculture and political clusterfuck. (edited)

4:50 PM

You get little groups with enough people and they'll decimate any system they can manipulate.

4:51 PM

See: reddit

Being on the front page would be that elevated system sadly, and any move (likely Pleeb) makes will unfortunately have political consequences. I don't think there's any point in posting guides given the fact the current FAQ is good enough

4:55 PM

Making a good guide system sucks, you have to think about how people will behave and how it can actually be carried out. Oh, and a lot of people won't like it no matter what you do. Everyone has their own idea of how guides should be sorted... You know, it makes me wonder something. What if we could have a bunch of people edit their own guide system and we see what sticks? Is there any way to make that accessible on the forums?

4:56 PM

Also, I really just want to shout FORUM SIMULATOR

I think having a section where people can recommend guides and promoting those individualized lists is a great idea, especially if they all introduce and contextualize their advice with progress reports and such. That's an ideal for me. You know who people are, you follow their advice, you even could try to get them as a mentor. Nobody can tread on each other's toes because disagreements just exist as separate silos that users are aware of. Just hard to do in an efficient way on the forums.

Reguile

I think having a section where people can recommend guides and promoting those individualized lists is a great idea, especially if they all introduce and contextualize their advice with progress reports and such. That's an ideal for me. You know who people are, you follow their advice, you even could try to get them as a mentor. Nobody can tread on each other's toes because disagreements just exist as separate silos that users are aware of. Just hard to do in an efficient way on the forums.

My biggest problem with that is that would promote what the biggest, most active friend group thinks.

Not necessarily. Maybe if they overwhelmed the area with like-minded recommendation threads, but the fact they're so similar will lead people to want to seek more different outlooks if they want to. Or, maybe I should ask, how do you think it would do that? (edited)

You're assuming people will know there are different outlooks to begin with and bother to look (edited)

5:03 PM

That's one problem with designing a guide system- people assume trust and are lazy (edited)

I think I know what my plan is. I'm thinking I'll try and push out what I have, I think this can be done. After that, I can redirect my energy into helping Regina set up her system. That way, I can focus on helping set up what she wants instead of competing with her I'll have some time to make progress on the UpVote/Draft system today. Mostly it's just a little more writing things out (edited)

Oh, Regina is just Mon ban evading. Nevermind that then.

Wuz gat

6:10 PM

Guide approval team

6:10 PM

Hmm

https://community.tulpa.info/topic/6244-about-the-guide-approval-team/

Does anyone have better self hypnosis guide . I am kind of having terrible time understanding the only available one

I don't know much about hypnosis and the tulpa community. I think it's best to stay away from Gearheart, but as long as you read the scripts before you watch their videos you should be fine. I know @Breloomancer and @Jerln (Verple especially) have done a lot of stuff with hypnosis. I think they would have better recommendations for what resources to use

A long kiss goodnight

I don't know much about hypnosis and the tulpa community. I think it's best to stay away from Gearheart, but as long as you read the scripts before you watch their videos you should be fine. I know @Breloomancer and @Jerln (Verple especially) have done a lot of stuff with hypnosis. I think they would have better recommendations for what resources to use

its not that important, hypnosis wont hurt you, whatever the person says, you can stop at any point and you are aware during the whole process (edited)

11:29 PM

if you hear something weird or that you dont want you can just exit hypnosis state

I think this is good advice. However, I do know some people have been harassed/abused by certain bad actors in the tulpa community. While I don't know exactly what went down and why, I do think a part of it is be careful who you trust

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Does anyone have better self hypnosis guide . I am kind of having terrible time understanding the only available one

which one? i remember linkzelda's being pretty decent https://community.tulpa.info/topic/4735-linkzeldas-ultimate-self-hypnosis-scripts-for-your-tulpa-related-needs/

Linkzelda's Ultimate Self-Hypnosis Scripts For Your Tulpa-Related N...

DOUBLE EDIT: Here's a Mediafire link (Thanks JD1215 for the suggestion!) If you guys only see 8 pages on the mediafire link, just scroll down and it'll load more (38 pages in all). It's best you download it so you can navigate through the table of contents better. https://drive.google.com/file/d/...

12:24 AM

hypnosis can totally hurt you, but only if you allow it to. the issue is that you may not mind something in the moment while under hypnosis, but then it can end up causing problems later on. a clever, malicious hypnotist can mess you up if you aren't careful

Breloomancer

hypnosis can totally hurt you, but only if you allow it to. the issue is that you may not mind something in the moment while under hypnosis, but then it can end up causing problems later on. a clever, malicious hypnotist can mess you up if you aren't careful

I think you overestimate the effect of hypnosis, but i dont know that much about it so ill just shut my mouth. (I think that negative effects will be fastly reversed after hypnosys by just conscious choice, maybe unless YOU REALLY BELIEVE that it will have a strong uncontrollable effect on you.) (edited)

of course, but hypnosis can make you really believe that you have such an effect, and it can make you internalize it in such a way that makes it more difficult to get rid of. i have seen people report such things happen to them on occasion

I think you overestimate the effect of hypnosis, but i dont know that much about it so ill just shut my mouth. (I think that negative effects will be fastly reversed after hypnosys by just conscious choice, maybe unless YOU REALLY BELIEVE that it will have a strong uncontrollable effect on you.)

@Txoka - jump hypnosis depends on suggestibility of a person, and some people are very suggestible, which makes them way more susceptible

wow, the timing!

11:59 AM

i just turned my pc on

Leiko

I think you overestimate the effect of hypnosis, but i dont know that much about it so ill just shut my mouth. (I think that negative effects will be fastly reversed after hypnosys by just conscious choice, maybe unless YOU REALLY BELIEVE that it will have a strong uncontrollable effect on you.)

@Txoka - jump hypnosis depends on suggestibility of a person, and some people are very suggestible, which makes them way more susceptible

that seems dangerous, what would happen to someone who missinterpreted something in the hypnosis..? (edited)

i’m not sure, i know very little about hypnosis

Does anyone have better self hypnosis guide

I don't know much about hypnosis

proceeds to give completely incorrect advice if you don't know, why are you giving advice??

hypnosis depends on suggestibility of a person i know very little about hypnosis

which one is it?!?!

i didn’t give any advice

i dont know that much about it so ill just shut my mouth that seems dangerous

why is literally everyone who knows nothing about hypnosis, desperately trying to chip in???????